remay

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Houston
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2012 8:36:47 AM
Maybe the Bureau should do the work and CHARGE for it, since the know how much it will cost. 12K is a bargain compared to 254K.
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jrs4125

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Indiana
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2012 7:13:16 AM
I don't think so.
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drpepperTX

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Texas
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2012 4:31:55 PM
@ ebill who says below that it's a fact that water is contaminated, you couldn't be more off base. I'll repeat my earlier post as obviously you have fallen victim to fear and paranoia.
As more and more SCIENTIFIC studies are added to a growing list of studies showing the safety of hydraulic fracturing, the science denial crowd will overlook the science and continue to promote fear. Yelling "the water's on fire etc.".
They'll continue to chant the thoroughly debunked claims of Josh Fox "Gasland" propaganda.
No disclosure of fracturing fluid?? WRONG again... Just take at look around the site www.fracfocus.org, it's ALL right there for the world to see.
And the latest from the purveyors of fear? Insurance!!! Aha, this will be the nail in the trackers coffin! Oh wait...."Fracking-related losses have never been a covered loss under personal or commercial lines policies." - Nationwide Insurance Co.
So now it's water use eh? As each aspect of the witch hunt against oil and gas production is knocked down by science these yahoos will come up with something else out of the blue. Show me one state where oil and gas comapanies use more than a tiny fraction (far less than 1%) of the total water usage. While your at it show me a state that doesn't allow golf courses to use hundreds of times more water than drilling. You cannot, case closed.
You see, there is a huge amount of deceiving information spouted out to the public about hydraulic fracturing, a decades-old technology. Those who spread this misinformation are mostly preying on the public's fears, with an ultimate goal of forcing state governments to succumb to that fear and prevent or even ban hydraulic fracturing. We need to make sure that the discussion is productive, and that any rules are legitimately conceived. Fact must be sEPArated from fiction.
The most common claim talking point is that hydraulic fracturing contaminates ground water. This is baseless. Have you ever noticed that the critics who make that claim never provide concrete evidence? The reason for their omission? It is obvious why. After being used more than 1.2 million times there have been no confirmed cases of hydraulic fracturing contaminating water. None. Never. Ever.
As EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson said in April of 2012, "In no case have we made a definitive determination that the fracking process has caused chemicals to enter groundwater."
The three "smoking gun" cases that the anti-shale zealots were sinking their teeth into have proven false or based on very poor science. See Pavillion WY, Dimoch, PA, and Parker County, TX.
The latest fear mongering is "climate change" thru methane emission from hydraulic fracturing. Once again SCIENTIFIC investigation has shown the EPA using numbers that are overblown by 50%.
Oh and the "evil Halliburton Loophole" talking point! LOL, what a joke. This is the errant claim born out of the yellow journalism of "gasland", a proven fraudulent film by Josh Fox, that hydraulic fracturing is "exempt" from the Safe Drinking Water Act, thanks to an energy bill passed by Congress in 2005. The truth??? SDWA has been the law of the land for nearly 40 years, and at no point has it ever covered hydraulic fracturing. Why??? States already tightly and effectively regulate the process.
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drpepperTX

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Texas
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2012 4:23:30 PM
Yes TustiDad, the proprietary information is included, they are only relieved from stating the specific amount used, that is what is 'proprietary'. Just like Coca-Cola or any other recipe, all ingredients are known, only ratios are 'trade secret'.
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TustinDad

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Orange County
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2012 2:25:43 PM
drpepperTX wrote: "No disclosure of fracturing fluid?? WRONG again... Just take at look around the site www.fracfocus.org, it's ALL right there for the world to see."
But does that list disclose the proprietary chemicals that, by law, do not need to be disclosed? I kind of doubt that.
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LetemEatCake

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Oklahoma City
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2012 12:55:59 AM
Malarkey! I think somebody is full of it! Disclosing the chemicals used in fracking costs virtually nothing! Other companies have already done that....did we hear any sum of money whined about?
[Edited by: LetemEatCake at 9/9/2012 12:56:44 AM EST]
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rjoeh

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2012 12:22:28 AM
Sounds normal for the Obama Administration to grossly under estimate costs to companies and individuals just like Obama Care.
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judgemobile

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Ohio
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2012 12:09:18 AM
get the dang government out of the private sector--VOTE FOR ROMNEY AND RYAN.
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rahcat

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Grand Rapids
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2012 12:07:28 AM
Obama and the EPA.......Get out of the way!
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tutaw

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Kentucky
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2012 12:02:13 AM
ok
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shores4now

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Kentucky
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2012 12:01:35 AM
Ok
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Beaveronparade

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Hartford
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 11:59:42 PM
Another reason for gas to go up?
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Ahking

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Orange County
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 11:59:24 PM
If they know what to buy, they can report without much effort unless there are unsavory substances.
Safe guarding our water supply should be done in a preventive manner. When contamination is detected, it will be too late.
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Number43

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Lexington
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 11:57:06 PM
Drill baby drill.
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Number43

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Lexington
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 11:56:34 PM
The fools at the sierra club have taken over america.
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nimpy

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Indianapolis
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 11:56:19 PM
A reason to increase the price
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Number43

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Lexington
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 11:55:25 PM
OBUMMER JUST CAN'T COUNT.
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DustyHorse

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Virginia
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 11:54:33 PM
The Obama administration hates all fossil fuels.
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fenster66

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Pittsburgh
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 11:53:57 PM
ok....
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trytogetby

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Cincinnati
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 11:52:29 PM
All righty then.
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Z51Corvette

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Austin
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 11:52:09 PM
More political rhetoric to make it difficult to produce a product. Liberal Democrats don't care how much it costs the American taxpayer... Truly!!! Don't drink the Tree Huggers and Socialist's Kool Aid!
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nigelb

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Virginia
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 11:51:53 PM
Fracking need to be closely monitored if we have any chance to keep our water clean.
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96sc1

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El Paso
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 11:51:50 PM
Only 20 times U.S. estimates? Not a record.
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Red7002011

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Mississippi
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 11:51:09 PM
Really!
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SalukiCO

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Colorado Springs
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 11:50:43 PM
Oh well. Don't expect them to stop. They will just ignore it and pay a $12 fine.
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rf6480

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Miami
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 11:50:19 PM
more regs to cost both in taxes and jobs
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jrsva

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Virginia
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 11:49:05 PM
Studies underwritten by the oil and gas industry claim that it will be too expensive to do the job carefully and safely. Does this surprise anyone? Disclosing the chemicals used and assuring that the well bore is properly sealed to prevent leakage into groundwater are basic, minimal requirements.
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rozellep2

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 11:46:46 PM
mmm
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boldrph

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Topeka
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 11:45:24 PM
industry shill
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mfeldstein

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Ottawa
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 11:45:16 PM
Good. Obama being the man he is, I'm sure he'll give all of this revenue to the poor.
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Blue48

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 11:42:10 PM
OK!
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RoadKing95

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San Jose
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 11:41:46 PM
Hmmm. Do I trust what Enron has to say? Do you? Sounds self serving to me. But I'm sure Romneyhood would buy into it.
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goldrose1

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Cleveland
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 11:40:09 PM
We need water on surface, not pumped underground. Sure that influenced this year's drought.
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toadNY

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Albany
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 11:33:25 PM
Do You eibli? Do you know All the real Fact's? I know I don't.
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skyking19

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Little Rock
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 11:32:37 PM
Get out and VOTE!
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Goody2317

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Wilmington
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 11:32:14 PM
Ok.
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mcmonsta

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Honolulu
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 11:32:07 PM
again its who pays for the study and what they base it on.
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mrinmoyd

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 11:31:51 PM
change it
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SammyAdams

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Tallahassee
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 11:31:49 PM
To: EnergyEngineer Re: Message Post: Sep 8, 2012 10:13:32 PM (Printed below)
"It's either we get our energy from this country or we continue sending 700 billions dollars a year overseas for energy. The government wants energy to come out of thin air, they also want to make doing business in America impossible. It isn't that hard for corporations to set up shop in other countries to escape the bureaucracy that is the U.S. government, until people realize this this country will continue on a downward slope."
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That seems to be the plan, EnergyEngineer. BO is on a deliberate quest to destroy the American middle class which is evident in every policy that his administration advances.
Note from the article: "The proposed rule is unnecessary, excessive and requires actions that no state currently regulating oil and natural gas production deems necessary . . "
The STATE is where the authority for any regulation should emanate, NOT BO, NOT the EPA, NOT any agency within the Federal government, but the various states have the reserved authority to determine what is best for their citizens. Many states are asserting this authority on a myriad of issues and 2013 will be a test to see if we can survive as a nation. Get involved with the TenthAmendmentCenter.com and be a part of a REAL CHANGE.
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papa56NC

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North Carolina
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 11:31:44 PM
Come on now
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serrog

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Nova Scotia
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 11:31:31 PM
Cheap if you lose your water
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bonzoonfmb

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Florida
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 11:29:57 PM
Let the states handle their own regulations.
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nsdp

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San Antonio
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 11:22:53 PM
I would take this with a large bit of salt. Remember EOG was originally ENRON Oil &Gas. As to drilling costs the extra cost will be minimal if they do it right the first time and don't cut corners. This is just like the old Amoco hands I worked with cutting corners on safety. BP bought Amoco and old Amoco employees were in charge of drilling Macondo and the "BP" refinery fire at Texas City. No wonder they are complaining they will have to do things right.
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carloco75

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Richmond
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 11:22:28 PM
That's all...
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geoutpb

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Midland Odessa
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 11:22:16 PM
Oil will only have to sale for more.
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WeasleyOC

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Orange County
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 11:17:32 PM
Obummer invoked in this?
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MadTraveler

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Idaho
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 11:15:39 PM
Leave it to government to screw us over and over again.
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mrbee

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Little Rock
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 11:12:46 PM
We really need change.
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BoerneWatch

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San Antonio
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 11:09:35 PM
No, no, NOOOO!!!
Get the feds out of my state's ground.
Fire that Marxist!
Let him and Jimmy Carter build some homes for humanity together.
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planoiceman

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Dallas
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 11:07:59 PM
Obama increasing costs again? What a surprise.
If you haven't seen the movie "2016: Obama's America", go see it. It explains a lot about our current president and what we could seein the next 4 years.
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