drpepperTX

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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2012 9:54:24 AM
Well said StArrow68.
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StArrow68

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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2012 6:40:16 PM
Stimulus increases the price of oil since it is just printing more money, in this case making the dollars in your savings account worth less. Great for the government since they pay off debt with devalued dollars. Not so good for those who save.
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remay

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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2012 1:17:57 PM
There is always SOME deflecting excuse to keep the REAL reasons unmentioned...
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jrs4125

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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2012 8:15:23 AM
You can't loose if your part of the 1%.
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DrCashFlow

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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2012 5:02:48 AM
Thanks Ben
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SammyAdams

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 11:07:58 PM
REPOST:
Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 1:29:50 PM Ignore SammyAdams Report Abuse Senator Harry Reid who opposes a "stand alone" vote on auditing the Federal Reserve (Because one third of the U.S. Senate is up for re-election and it's difficult to oppose any "transparency" in government) is the same Harry Reid who is training his oldest lawyer son regarding how "going green" can create some "GREEN" for the Reids. Below is another example of for whom Harry Reid actually works (From another post of mine earlier today). To wit:
Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 12:47:46 PM To: scu227 Re: Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 9:43:42 AM (Printed below)
"Why should the price of fuel go up just because the Fed decides to try and help the economy?
I thought the stimulus was to help the economy, not give the speculators and oil companies more profits."
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The "stimulus" is more of a sleight of hand deception for the ill-informed than anything else. The idea behind it makes sense to untutored minds because it says that our economy needs to get out of the doldrums, so we (The FED) will get the pump primed by spending money in the economy. The problem is that what they are postulating is driving up the cost of everything and not helping the average Joe in the process.
Printing up money (The dictionary definition of inflation) is akin to counterfeiting. If printing up more money is so good for the economy, why not print up a million dollars for every man, woman, and child in the country? You might need to dwell on that for a while. All that you accomplish by counterfeiting money is more money enters circulation where goods and services remain constant. Prices RISE (are bid up) to meet the increase in the money supply. It's like adding a can of water to the soup when you have an unexpected dinner guest. There will be MORE soup for everyone to have SOME, but there will be a less quality soup, because it has been thinned out by the increase in water (money supply)
Another way to look at any of the government's "stimulus" deals is if the government comes into your store in order to "stimulate" your business and puts a gun to your head and empties the cash drawer. Then as these government (thugs) begin to leave they "purchase" a carton of cigarettes and a case of beer on the way out. You and the economy have just been stimulated by the government.
Only this example paints a better picture than how it actually exists. The money spent isn't always in YOUR store. They invest the money (Read: "squander") in "make work" projects (Like more government jobs, which add no wealth to the overall economy), invest money in boondoggles (Bet you thought of "Solyndra", didn't you?), and generally waste money on just about every thing imaginable.
The Chairman of the Federal Reserve, Ben Bernanke, is really an enemy of the people, despite the kind grandfatherly face he portrays in public. The Federal Reserve is not "Federal" and it has no "reserves". It is a privately owned banking cartel and knows that if (or better "when") it is audited, its doom is certain.
The U.S. House passed the "Audit The FED" measure overwhelmingly (327 to 98) recently (because 100% of all Congressmen must face the folks for re-election), but the U.S. Senate (which stalled and then watered down the House version once before and which wants to do it again), led by Harry Reid who does not want it to come before that body for a "stand alone" vote. The Senate version (S. 202) of this "Audit the FED" measure will shed some light on "where" and to "whom" the FED loans U.S. Taxpayer money (stimulus).
Ron Paul made this the centerpiece of his campaign for President and the Establishment didn't like it. But YOU can thwart their plans by having you U.S. Senators become co-sponsors (27 thus far - up from 20 in July) and VOTE for S. 202 while they are still in session. Request (Read: "Demand") that this be a stand alone vote (not attached to any other bill) and that the vote be recorded. Who could oppose such "Transparency" in government?
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SammyAdams

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 11:06:14 PM
There are a number of factors which contribute to the higher prices of fuel and consumer goods and the "government" has a part in ALL of them, but nothing has been as insidious as the Federal Reserve. It is responsible for what has been called (and very appropriately) the "inflation tax". It is particularly cruel to (Though it is no respecter of whose wealth it destroys) the poor, elderly, and those on fixed incomes. The definitive work on the FED is a book titled "The Creature From Jeckyl Island", written by G. Edward Griffin ans is available from Google Books, American Media, and other sources.
Jeckyl Island was the place (an island off the coast of South Carolina) where The Federal Reserve was devised by a coterie of bankers who at that time made up one fourth of the WORLD'S WEALTH. Though this meeting was "secret" and admitted so later by one of its attendees, most would pooh pooh the term "conspiracy". The Federal Reserve has never had a meaningful audit. A "watered down" Senate version of a bill authored by Texas Rep. Ron Paul revealed Trillion$ of dollars loaned to both U.S. and European banks. You can hardly understand the phoniness of the contest between BO and Mitt Romney without an understanding gained from reading this book.
Legislation to "Audit The FED" has overwhelmingly passed the U.S. House and has 27 co-sponsors in the U.S. Senate. The most important service that you can do which will impact American politics now and forever is to urge your two Senators to co-sponsor and/or vote in favor of a "stand alone" vote for (S.202) this "Audit The FED" measure. Sen. Harry Reid has vowed to oppose putting this on the Senate Calendar, but this can be thwarted by calling your Senators and demanding a "stand alone" vote with a "roll call" of how each and every member voted. Following is a post from yesterday which briefly explains how the FED robs our wealth by printing more money (inflating the money supply).
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Cheepo

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 3:39:02 PM
Dump the fed!!!!!!!!!
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pizzaman09

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Indiana
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 3:25:31 PM
HELLO
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jimbeaux53

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 3:11:19 PM
I'm sure all the violence in the Middle East has nothing to do with speculation driving oil prices. Right!!! It's all due to the Fed? If that is what you want to believe.
[Edited by: jimbeaux53 at 9/15/2012 3:13:27 PM EST]
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ktbaeohana

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 1:22:59 PM
watch and see.
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hok

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 12:08:39 PM
√
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jimgraham

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 11:09:30 AM
"""The Fed on Thursday unveiled a plan to buy $40 billion in mortgage-backed securities every month and said it would keep buying until the job market improves. The measure was seen as an unusually strong commitment by the Fed, whose previous bond-buying initiatives came with a specific end date."""
Pump more money into Wall Street? Why?? Because the idiot reps in DC have only their OWN interests at heart - and those of Wall Street - not that of the electorate.
THIS one is seen as a unending, open checkbook from the fed to the "bankers" and speculators on Wall Street and the world.
Economists generally agree that high rates of inflation and hyperinflation are caused by an excessive growth of the money supply. That is why these QE actions are leading to hyperinflation and the destruction of the American middle class.
Tho the folks in DC do not admit it, hyper inflation is on its way here due to these BS QE debacles.
We may soon be like Germany in the 20's - a wheelbarrow of marks to buy a loaf of bread.
Is this part of the "one world, one economy" plan from the EU - the EU will disintegrate whether or not we help them - so why drag us down with them?Vote them ALL out. Darned near anyone would be better for US.
Doesn't that sound like Germany and the rise of Hitler?? THAT we definitely DO NOT need.
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geezrtek

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:44:16 AM
Bad URL
Real URL
http://rigzone.com/news/oil_gas/a/120720/Fed_Stimulus_Sends_Crude_to_FourMonth_High
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A_NY_Outlaw

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:39:53 AM
Obamanomics indeed!!
Get used to it. If the King gets another term, Chu and Obama will make sure the current prices seem like 'the good ol' days' no doubt.
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montytexas

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Houston
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:39:49 AM
Time to buy a YikeBike from New Zealand ??
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bigmoo63

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:37:30 AM
Devalue the dollar some more. And the banks can take another bite. Lovely.
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kirzon484

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:33:56 AM
just leave it alone
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INBwana

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Indiana
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:33:16 AM
Stimulus? Why? How can this help our economy? I don't understand!
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deputydog082

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:27:57 AM
no surprise here
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Pramodsharma

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:27:46 AM
Fed as Friends, then no Foes required, It comes automatically with friendship!
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w4kh

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:27:18 AM
We need to get America back to work and get businesses hiring and moving forward. This recession was brought to you courtesy of the Republican Congress Critters who repealed Glass-Steagall and let loose the flood of derivatives that brought down the world-wide financial system... hard to shove that monster back in the bottle, and yet Romney plans to try for even MORE deregulation which so far is what plunged us into this recession. - Maybe I should move to Canada. Any place warm in winter up there?
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BlackGumTree

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:27:09 AM
Why do they call this a stimulus; it won't stimulate the economy?
The fools should be fired for incompetence.
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DABEE1073

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:26:58 AM
MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE WITH DOMESTIC CRUDE OIL.
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Don20

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:25:52 AM
The Fed's announcement Thursday sent the dollar sliding against other major currencies for a second straight session, boosting the price of dollar-denominated commodities such as crude oil.
You can not buy your way out of debit.
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ghmortensen

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:25:36 AM
This will hurt President Obama's chances for reelection.
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bowler360

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:25:07 AM
again,....if it's not one thing it's another
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texashoudini

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:25:05 AM
Of course! You would think Obama would want to show he is doing something. Now it is going the opposite way for him.
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packards42

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:24:51 AM
That always been Energy Czar Salar's plan European Prices for American consumers. Tesla wanted here.
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pizzaman09

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:23:41 AM
HAVE A NICE DAY.
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JPGASMAN

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:23:04 AM
k
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robaloma

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:22:39 AM
crazy
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FunMyster

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Indiana
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:22:24 AM
ok
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studebaker1940

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Tampa
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:22:21 AM
This should assure the democrats a crushing loss this November
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krzysiek_ck

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:21:52 AM
Is this the best this administration can do?
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drpepperTX

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:19:50 AM
Inevitably hyper-inflation will result.
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Agarre

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:19:39 AM
nothing unusual
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SavingInNC

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:18:47 AM
Obamanomics
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alex395

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:17:58 AM
Middle East countries think Obama is weak, and they are right. Oil prices are going through the roof while he is in Las Vegas fund raising. So what has he done? Nothing, because he doesn't know what to do, he can't use his mafia style, ram it down your throat techniques over the middle east people like he does us.
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Bonanza

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:17:41 AM
No hope for our nation's future
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wbpprint

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:17:17 AM
So the Stimulus sent oil prices higher, that helps non-american companies get higher profits. In the meantime it will cost more at the pump so we will have less to spend for essential or an occasional luxury like having a meal at a restaurant, now that would help our economy.
[Edited by: wbpprint at 9/15/2012 10:18:27 AM EST]
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doncNJ

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:15:45 AM
Here we go again. Thanks Baroco.
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nascar1411

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:15:26 AM
just wait it will go higher
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D4444J

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:14:45 AM
Way to go Obumer
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H2OBurner

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:14:44 AM
k
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mazdaboy

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:14:37 AM
The fed acts independently of the government.
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momof5MN

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:14:24 AM
November 6, 2012.
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BlueVanGroup

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:14:10 AM
Here's a link that works.
The Fed will print/borrow $40,000,000,000 every month to buy bonds.
That's a scheme to try and buy the election for Obama, not boost the U.S. economy.
As progressive politicians continue to spend our dollars into toilet paper it takes more of them to buy fuel, food, and everything else.
We'll all pay for it, but seniors will be hardest hit as their life savings dissolves before their eyes. (Inflation is an invisible tax.)
We the People need to drag our representatives (kicking and screaming if necessary) back to fiscal responsibility.
Vote out the worst offenders in November!
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mateyboy

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:13:51 AM
Same news
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200porter

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:13:35 AM
Just another excuse to raise prices. Has it even been implemented?
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