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Opposition Builds To General Aviation User Fees

NewsChannel5 Nashville -- It could soon cost more for some aircraft to fly the friendly skies.

In President Obama's fiscal year 2013 budget, he is proposing a $100 per flight user fee. The fee would apply to general aviation aircraft like medical, cargo and charter flights.

The budget states, "All flights that use controlled air space require a similar level of air traffic services. However, commercial and general aviation can pay very different aviation fees for those same air traffic services. To reduce the deficit and more equitably share the cost of air traffic services across the aviation user community, the Admin. proposes to create a $100 per flight fee, payable to the FAA, by aviation operators who fly in controlled airspace.

..believes this would not only hurt traffic at the airport, but impact the co

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kgbellman Champion Author Ann Arbor Posts:2,718 Points:732,815 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Oct 25, 2012 12:22:08 AM Ignore kgbellman Report Abuse More "taxes"?
A2J Champion Author Richmond Posts:3,080 Points:603,925 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Oct 12, 2012 10:45:15 PM Ignore A2J Report Abuse okie
rjhenn Champion Author Des Moines Posts:22,444 Points:2,230,675 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Oct 12, 2012 5:54:44 PM Ignore rjhenn Report Abuse Why should general aviation get a free ride? Does that make them part of "the 47%" that conservatives keep harping on?
52MPG Champion Author Dayton Posts:7,267 Points:1,742,680 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Oct 12, 2012 12:39:58 PM Ignore 52MPG Report Abuse One more job killing tax.
SUPPER Champion Author San Bernardino Posts:2,477 Points:1,289,575 Joined:Dec 2004	Message Posted: Oct 12, 2012 9:17:46 AM Ignore SUPPER Report Abuse No bama
RoadKing95 Champion Author San Jose Posts:20,561 Points:3,604,215 Joined:May 2003	Message Posted: Oct 12, 2012 9:09:41 AM Ignore RoadKing95 Report Abuse All piston aircraft, military aircraft, public aircraft, air ambulances, aircraft operating outside of controlled airspace, and Canada-to-Canada flights would be exempted. This fee would generate an estimated $7.4 billion over 10 years." Excuse me but for all you folks flying Cessnas or other small aircraft, they fall under the piston aircraft wouldn't they?
jcdakota Champion Author Baltimore Posts:1,347 Points:361,345 Joined:Nov 2010	Message Posted: Oct 12, 2012 6:30:47 AM Ignore jcdakota Report Abuse An aditional tax on medical cargo flights - thought we were trying to keep medical costs down!
el_fr Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:3,342 Points:745,675 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Oct 12, 2012 2:35:41 AM Ignore el_fr Report Abuse Stupid idea. A new tax
carloco75 Champion Author Richmond Posts:3,716 Points:601,115 Joined:Oct 2010	Message Posted: Oct 12, 2012 12:40:11 AM Ignore carloco75 Report Abuse Say what...
ScottE Champion Author Orange County Posts:4,352 Points:2,198,980 Joined:May 2002	Message Posted: Oct 12, 2012 12:37:17 AM Ignore ScottE Report Abuse that is bull pucky. GA pilots can't afford that. The article is confusing does it only affect commercial ops or all private pilot flying?
jkpsr Champion Author New Jersey Posts:4,084 Points:1,102,880 Joined:Jun 2005	Message Posted: Oct 12, 2012 12:16:49 AM Ignore jkpsr Report Abuse If you can afford to own and operate a private airplane, you can afford the user fees!
sprocketsplines Champion Author Washington Posts:1,687 Points:861,615 Joined:Oct 2010	Message Posted: Oct 12, 2012 12:16:24 AM Ignore sprocketsplines Report Abuse The smaller airports would be impacted more by the fee as they would have more general aviation aircraft flying out of them than the larger airports.
quasar502 Champion Author Lansing Posts:3,588 Points:802,325 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Oct 12, 2012 12:11:14 AM Ignore quasar502 Report Abuse If it goes thru you will probably be able to find a very good deal on a Cesna.
SammyAdams Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:3,057 Points:793,605 Joined:Nov 2010	Message Posted: Oct 12, 2012 12:10:38 AM Ignore SammyAdams Report Abuse To: Aviator_Rob Re: Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 11:46:38 PM (Printed below) "To all those clamoring for spending cuts, please tell me which programs that you personally like that you would be willing to cut. It's no fair to just say you'll cut things that you don't like. Which programs that you benefit from are YOU willing to go without?" ============================================================= That would be an EASY question to answer, Aviator_Rob. First you examine the U.S. Constitution and see which functions were delegated to the Federal government and ONLY those duties should be retained. Any other programs should be left to the States.
nurdco Champion Author Colorado Springs Posts:9,238 Points:1,695,385 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Oct 12, 2012 12:09:26 AM Ignore nurdco Report Abuse Airports WASTE these collected fee(s)
miser709 Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:1,268 Points:1,070,800 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Oct 12, 2012 12:07:58 AM Ignore miser709 Report Abuse Posted by BigKart and worth repeating. Airport properties are owned by the govt (for the most part), built and maintained by them, and they get reimbursed by renting space (hangars, etc.) and fees from service providers (fuel, maintenance on site, etc.). It takes the property off tax rolls... and that can be a substantial amount of property! Everything should pay its own way. That includes airports and public TV.
mpg611 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:2,339 Points:570,520 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Oct 12, 2012 12:07:55 AM Ignore mpg611 Report Abuse Soon there will be fees to breathe air.
rahcat Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:2,473 Points:663,175 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Oct 12, 2012 12:07:33 AM Ignore rahcat Report Abuse More ways to pick your pocket.
judgemobile Champion Author Ohio Posts:7,575 Points:2,446,110 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Oct 12, 2012 12:05:16 AM Ignore judgemobile Report Abuse more meddeling by feds--get rid of Bummer, vote Romney.
SaturnSC Champion Author Columbus Posts:1,051 Points:833,475 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Oct 12, 2012 12:04:33 AM Ignore SaturnSC Report Abuse No kidding
N5EXY Champion Author Austin Posts:5,497 Points:1,511,355 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Oct 12, 2012 12:04:01 AM Ignore N5EXY Report Abuse I agree with BigKart but I really don't have anything against BigBird!
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shores4now Champion Author Kentucky Posts:2,411 Points:524,775 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Oct 12, 2012 12:02:56 AM Ignore shores4now Report Abuse Ok
southrob Champion Author Tucson Posts:3,600 Points:688,175 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 11:59:31 PM Ignore southrob Report Abuse dhan for cheap gas
BigKart All-Star Author Indianapolis Posts:771 Points:225,825 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 11:58:53 PM Ignore BigKart Report Abuse Airport properties are owned by the govt (for the most part), built and maintained by them, and they get reimbursed by renting space (hangars, etc.) and fees from service providers (fuel, maintenance on site, etc.). It takes the property off tax rolls... and that can be a substantial amount of property! Everything should pay its own way. That includes airports and public TV.
gabfiore Sophomore Author San Diego Posts:151 Points:86,925 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 11:54:54 PM Ignore gabfiore Report Abuse Soon we'll be charged to breath on planes. Oy!
SpankyMI Champion Author Kalamazoo Posts:2,713 Points:760,255 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 11:51:58 PM Ignore SpankyMI Report Abuse Anything for a buck.
ydjns Rookie Author San Diego Posts:39 Points:8,195 Joined:Sep 2012	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 11:48:38 PM Ignore ydjns Report Abuse Everything has hidden fees nowadays
tidalwave3 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:1,305 Points:1,464,545 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 11:46:53 PM Ignore tidalwave3 Report Abuse Good that will cut more jobs, because I will park my pilots license. Some of my flights would only be 100 miles or in training :( Bad for the economy and great if you are Al Quida
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,800 Points:414,390 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 11:46:38 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse To all those clamoring for spending cuts, please tell me which programs that you personally like that you would be willing to cut. It's no fair to just say you'll cut things that you don't like. Which programs that you benefit from are YOU willing to go without?
preacherjohn Champion Author Modesto Posts:3,990 Points:1,919,760 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 11:43:11 PM Ignore preacherjohn Report Abuse way out of my budget..
kmurphy345 Veteran Author Toronto Posts:457 Points:151,205 Joined:Oct 2010	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 11:40:42 PM Ignore kmurphy345 Report Abuse ok
mstearno Champion Author Dayton Posts:8,071 Points:1,732,210 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 11:38:17 PM Ignore mstearno Report Abuse tax em
suzmar Champion Author Texas Posts:2,212 Points:872,740 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 11:36:58 PM Ignore suzmar Report Abuse The Obama administration would rather raise taxes and fees than cut spending, that is why the economy is in the shape it is in.
Holly123 Champion Author Charlotte Posts:3,202 Points:790,985 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 11:36:02 PM Ignore Holly123 Report Abuse Ok
pbear316 Champion Author Akron Posts:2,035 Points:678,115 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 11:31:35 PM Ignore pbear316 Report Abuse Another reason I prefer to drive.
mrselfdestruct All-Star Author Arkansas Posts:998 Points:167,650 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 11:29:45 PM Ignore mrselfdestruct Report Abuse They fly gas...?
Jeeputtputt Champion Author Ohio Posts:3,002 Points:677,465 Joined:Aug 2009	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 11:22:29 PM Ignore Jeeputtputt Report Abuse what a jerk!
Holly123 Champion Author Charlotte Posts:3,202 Points:790,985 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 11:21:03 PM Ignore Holly123 Report Abuse Ok
BoerneWatch Champion Author San Antonio Posts:15,546 Points:2,454,915 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 11:20:57 PM Ignore BoerneWatch Report Abuse If this "fee" is so insignificant, why not charge $10,000 or $100,000? Let's face it. It is a tax that is not put in place to improve or pay for air cargo but the general fund. Just say NOBAMA.
PoohMcGoo Champion Author Alabama Posts:3,067 Points:800,885 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 11:20:51 PM Ignore PoohMcGoo Report Abuse Need a new president.
krobp46 Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:2,716 Points:542,070 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 11:19:20 PM Ignore krobp46 Report Abuse This is just another ploy for Obama to get more government control. Once the jobs are lost due to this taxation, the gov't will take over all flights.
Denver80210 Champion Author Denver Posts:18,136 Points:3,222,150 Joined:Jan 2004	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 11:19:14 PM Ignore Denver80210 Report Abuse RE: REKEY: "As much as FedEx flies and they don't pay anything!" Read the second pararaph in the article; FEDEX IS commercial; they currently pay plenty for each and every flight. There are lots of people who fly small planes ("GA") for sport or travel that make way under $250,000. Obama claimed no "tax" increases for those under $200,000/$250,000 ; so they call it a "fee" instead. Yet another LIE from the Dissembler In Chief!
g747 Champion Author Mobile Posts:4,541 Points:933,670 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 11:18:37 PM Ignore g747 Report Abuse Look ;no more taxes!!!!!!!!period!!!!!!!!!.
radiorumor Champion Author Texas Posts:2,817 Points:754,835 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 11:16:03 PM Ignore radiorumor Report Abuse Vote Obama, or is that Mitt Ryan, I don't keep up with this too much
enhedman Rookie Author Seattle Posts:12 Points:168,950 Joined:Oct 2012	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 11:12:28 PM Ignore enhedman Report Abuse More government means more taxes which equals more government and more taxes which equals more government and more taxes which equals more government and more taxes. Maybe we should cut and limit the salaries of those in government.
WIWalt Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:1,731 Points:415,770 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 11:10:03 PM Ignore WIWalt Report Abuse abcdMA says Medical? Are you kidding? Next there will be a use tax on fire trucks if you have a fire! Good one
serrog Champion Author Nova Scotia Posts:5,569 Points:1,513,105 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 11:09:10 PM Ignore serrog Report Abuse Amazing how many Obama haters there are.
dabbadu Champion Author New York Posts:1,056 Points:661,755 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 11:09:08 PM Ignore dabbadu Report Abuse Nuts.
tutaw Champion Author Kentucky Posts:3,600 Points:843,495 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Oct 11, 2012 11:08:36 PM Ignore tutaw Report Abuse oh boy