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Politifact rates Crossroads GPS statement, “production's down where Obama's in charge”

Politifact -- From 2003-08, Bush’s tenure, oil production on federal lands/waters fell in four of five years, for a net decrease of 16.8 percent. From 2009-11, Obama’s tenure, oil production rose two of three years, with a net decline of less than 1 percentage point. A Crossroads GPS ad says Obama takes credit for Bush-era policies then blames Obama for a downturn in oil production on federal lands. The ad goes too far when it cites a single-year 14 percent decline as evidence of the impact of Obama's overall energy strategy. The facts show that the decline represents a single year that followed years of substantial gains and occurred only offshore in the wake of a major oil disaster.The ad’s statement is partially accurate but leaves out important details/takes things out of context. Rating: half-true

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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2012 12:47:28 PM

Or is it a man-crush???? (grin)
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2012 12:46:57 PM

Soda doc.... he has such a bromance with the liars and crooks of the GOP aqnd crossroads
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2012 12:46:10 PM

soda doc... proving himself to be hopelessly delusional with every post, no matter what the subject matter.

Sad. Maybe he is off his meds.

Or maybe he self-medicates too much.

Either way, he shows off his alter states of dementia all the time....

One day, he may accidently discover facts. But don't hold your breathe.

Which makes me wonder...... did W nickname him "blank" blossom?
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2012 12:42:32 PM

soda doc has a point!!!!!!! stop the presses.....

okay, start them again, he's shown himself to be pointless---- as usual -- and full of fantasies...
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Apr 18, 2012 10:03:16 AM

LOL, see below! Proving my point with every postVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: Apr 18, 2012 9:37:54 AM

and reason is the last thing that soda doc is interested with all of his "hopium" fear....which must make him hopeless??? (grin)..

[Edited by: Gnusman53 at 4/18/2012 9:42:00 AM EST]
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 11:33:56 PM

sorry...factless and fantasy-full are trademarks of the soda doc and his friends like Karl "Marx"...
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 11:20:19 PM

And the 'hopium' addict prattles on w/o fact, rhyme or reason!
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 11:11:21 PM

Hmm using Crossroads and Karl "Marx".... logic, lets do an economic analysis of the gulf coast...... and select the three-month period including Hurricane Katrina.......

But then Bush duplicated that for the entire country in 2008. (grin)

[Edited by: Gnusman53 at 4/17/2012 11:12:59 PM EST]
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 11:07:23 PM

Sorry soda doc.... neither you or the infamous $%&*() Blossom is that source. (grin)
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 4:23:49 PM

"Anyway, maybe they have selection bias, or maybe the right is more prone to making false statements than is the left, which would explain why there are more "false" designations for them, and rightly so." - apiergallini

So you give your bias away.

Anyway, may I suggest that this 'alleged selection bias' could be, as the University of Minnesota’s Smart Politics study points out, the fact that Politifact chooses NOT to select as many Democrat statements? Likely because they spout more misinformation than Republicans? Don't get me wrong, both the left and the right spew misinformation, but I'd like a source more reputable than Politifact to hang my hat on!

For a quick example, have they rated Obama's statement, "We can't escape the fact that we only control 2% of the world's oil"? If so, how did they rate it?


[Edited by: drpepperTX at 4/17/2012 4:25:04 PM EST]
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apiergallini
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2012 9:59:16 PM

@Gnusman53

Haha, right on. I think, to a lot of people, especially on here, "radical, unamerican policies" are defined as anything the current administration puts forth, whether originally their idea or not.

@drpepperTX

That's not what I said, so don't misquote me. Especially not when my original post is on the same page.

Anyway, maybe they have selection bias, or maybe the right is more prone to making false statements than is the left, which would explain why there are more "false" designations for them, and rightly so.

@crep1291

Good point. But you won't hear most people on the right, or in here, talking about that, because if a Democrat President imposes a moratorium as a result of an oil company's negligence or recklessness, it's clearly the President's fault that we don't want something like that to happen again, right?
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2012 9:05:21 PM

Funny and sad how many people seem to believe someone who is called "XC$# Blossom" tells the truth????
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2012 1:08:38 PM

This article makes my head spin! Who to belive or not?
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crep1291
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2012 12:48:14 PM

If anything, BP is to blame for the drop in offshore production in 2011. Had its well not leaked so badly, we wouldn't have had to impose a moratorium on similar projects.
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2012 10:39:36 AM

"What they have is selection bias."

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Exactly!
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2012 10:19:51 AM

Interesting.
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2012 9:49:43 AM

Sorry TRY..... try and follow.....

The current administration is actual putting the pendulum back in the center after the laisse-faire attitude of the last administration.... where polluting became okay and extremely profitable...

As for waste....and corruption......
Nobody has done it more or better than the W..... Two wars --- not paid for.... Prescription Part D -- not paid for..... Dereging Wall street to the point of crashing it (with greed and avarice)....Killing soldiers for profit (KBR)..... Destroying CIA undercover operations designed to keep terrorists from getting nuclear weapons...... Seeking wars for political pandering... Not even bothering to adequately provide the military with the equipment they need (armor, etc...)... Worsening the underfunding of veterans care....

W & pals ENRON'd the country......and you seem to be asking for a second helping of toxic kool-aid...

I am sad for you....

As to radical, unAmerican policies??????

Lets see... health care ... that famous plan from Teddy Roosevelt, the Heritage Foundation, Newt Gingrich, Robert Dole....and oh yeah, Mitt Romney.

So it can't be radical that he used the GOP plan for the health care act????? right???? Or unAmerican? After all, the GOP is never unAmerican (sarcasm-laden snicker insert here)....

Must be radical that oil production is up under the Obama admin.....over the amount the Ws generated....

Or that oil imports are down....

Or that he made a company actually try to clean up its mess after a massive spill..... (unlike W's wiping away the need for Exxon Valdez to clean up its mess)...

Truth is that Obama is the best Republican president of the last 50 years. He is a centrist. And the only reason the delusional current GOP are calling him radical, socialist, communist & everything else..... is to avoid people noticing how far into lunacy the GOP has driven itself in the lst 30 years.....



[Edited by: Gnusman53 at 4/16/2012 9:51:06 AM EST]
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2012 9:18:16 AM

Nice to see that the delusion-flavored soda doc..... is sampling more of his wares..... who knew the kool aid had so much fantasy-fizziness....

Politifact has a problem -- actually recognizing the truth when it hits them between the eyes (ie. the GOP whining about the O'Donnell promo with the word "welfare".....)

There has been a number of less than factual findings by the proclaimed truthiness squad.

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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2012 7:58:36 AM

ok
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apiergallini
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2012 12:08:47 AM

@fracknsave

Sure, that makes sense, right? Judge a book by its cover? Just for fun, where would you draw the line for having "been around the block"?

The PPACA may get overturned, but that's not certain. I don't think it will. I've read a lot about it, and have a pretty good understanding about how the law, Constitution, and legislatures all work.

And sure, here are some accomplishments: getting rid of DADT, is working to help veterans get employment, funded families going to Dover AFB to receive the remains of their family members, donated his Nobel Prize money to Fisher House, removed restrictions on stem cell research, promoted federal hiring of military spouses....

And Churchill was right: taxes are a zero-sum game. However, that doesn't mean that no good can come from them. We're all better off if nobody is destitute.

@drpepperTX

What they have, allegedly, is selection bias. Your source didn't say anything about them being wrong when they called someone's statements true or false.
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What's bugging me is big government. Next is big government regulation. There's no telling what the next shoe to drop will be with this administration. The last administration was somewhat slower, now with this one, its off the charts with spending, waste and corruption. I would dread 4 more years of the current administration with its radical, un-American policies. I pray the general public will wake up and smell their loss of freedom
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2012 10:05:57 PM

Hehehe, aside from the incoherent rage and fact less rants from the 'hopium' addled, here's an interesting study done on Politi'fact'.

Politifact's pro- Democrat Bias
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2012 5:10:09 PM

Gnusman53. I'm sorry to say that spouting facts will never get through to some of the vocal right wingnuts we have here. They much prefer any lie that Faux News and their like have to tell them.
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2012 3:51:32 PM

Truth and Crossroads are impossible to have in the same sentence.... without a negative the size of the Himalayas...

example:
Crossroads never tells the truth.
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2012 3:47:34 PM

So isn't partly accurate ....like mostly false....or being half pregnant??? (grin).
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2012 3:46:11 PM

So gandalfy is saying that deep-water rigs are on private land in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico....????? That is a good one.....
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2012 3:40:50 PM

so major market outs himself as a flat-earther (grin)....or so the Crossroadies (AKA Koch-Heads)....might want you to believe....

everytime the Koch-Heads open their mouths I remember how their predecessors loved Germany's H and Russia's S

[Edited by: Gnusman53 at 4/15/2012 3:44:40 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2012 11:31:31 AM

Another factual piece to bust the spin against the President.

Of course, I'm old enough to know that there will always be that small tinfoil brigade that will never accept ANY amount of facts because that would mean admitting that their bias toward the President is rooted in nothing but illogicality.

These same people would keep insisting that the world is flat. Different century, same closed mind.
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2012 11:27:31 AM

Accuracy plus context equals a better understanding.
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2012 9:03:39 AM

Oil production has NOT increased on federal land since obummer has been in office. The increase is on private land and no credit to obummer.
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Gnusman53
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The GOP has been taxing the heck out of the people who work for a living... just to make sure their freeloading friends get a free ride....How many Romney kids served in the military? zero.

and that is the exact level of ethics, morality and patriotism of the GOP since the SOBBs (sons of birchers & birthers) took over....

The GOP is now nothing but RINOs...They have no clue about Eisenhower republicans....or even Reagan republicans.....

So fracknsave... Reagan was a socialist when he raised taxes 11 times....right????

Seems fracknsave wants to be a freerider.... like today's RINOs...


[Edited by: Gnusman53 at 4/15/2012 3:50:05 AM EST]
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tax itself into prosperity???? whatta ballooooooooon....
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2012 3:23:07 AM

but then dementia land is where the stalinista with the moniker fracknsave...seems to live

color him and Rove criminally cluesless....

say thanx Bush/Rove for the financial collapse and a couplke of wars not even paid for.... or the part D they didn't bother paying for either...

[Edited by: Gnusman53 at 4/15/2012 3:26:19 AM EST]
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2012 3:20:11 AM

half true....????? that is stretching true beyond a pretzel...
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Gnusman53
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Just remember... Crossroads' Rove wanted the US to go to war so W and GOP could claim to be patriotic...... and helped to destroy a CIA cover operation designed to keep nuclear weapons from getting into the hands of terrorists......

Anything he or crossroads says.... has the weight of a flea's fart......when it comes to anything ethical.....

To quote Rove..... he is "fair game" for anything bad happening to him...
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2012 12:11:41 AM


Of course you experienced diatribers all know better, so you have license to disparage apiergallini, but you dyslexia even converts this gentleman's name to APG. Give it rest boys and try addressing the article.

Crossroads is your kind of political ad machine though, so whatever lies and twisted misinformation they spread is ok in your book.

Crossroads GPS surely deserves the infamous docp 'Liar of the Week' award for these incredible lies and distortions. Could it be one of Karl Rove's PR companies.
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 11:16:17 PM

APG, we'll give you a pass on the politics, since judging by your avatar, you've yet to complete a trip round the block.

Besides, health care, which is going to be overturned soon, maybe you can cite some of the socialist-in-chief's other accomplishments, you know, worthy of propping on his mantle for legacy's sake.

We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle. Winston Churchill.
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 9:27:46 PM

How true!
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Easy for haters to criticise
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 8:02:05 PM

@humblepie,

That's a great platform. I'm sure you have some excellent ideas about what, specifically, you don't like about the current administration, and what you think Romney(?) would do better?
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ANYBODY BUT OBAMA 2012..........ABO 2012
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okay

[Edited by: TRYWI at 4/14/2012 7:08:58 PM EST]
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Half-truths are a key tool in the con-man kit. Politicians use them so much they typically can't remember what's truth and what are lies.

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Extreme cons stretching the truth to present an agenda? YOU DON'T SAY!
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 6:38:29 PM

I think this article is half-true!
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