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Recent Rally in Natural Gas Prices Could See Utilities Switch Back to Cheaper Coal

Before It's News -- The recent rally in natural gas prices could prove beneficial to coal miners. The spread between the NYMEX Central Appalachian coal and Henry Hub natural gas futures on Thursday was the widest it has been in over a year. The gap on Thursday reached $1.25 per million British thermal units (mmBtu) according to data from Reuters. The cost of transporting Eastern coal is roughly $1 per mmBtu, so when the discount is above $1 per mmBtu it becomes more cost effective for utilities to burn coal instead of natural gas. Since April, natural gas has rebounded to $3.28 per mmBtu from $1.902, while coal has dropped to $2.13 per mmBtu from $2.03, according to Reuters.

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Submitted Oct 06, 2012 By: NOTSOGRN

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teenitup Champion Author Houston Posts:1,595 Points:245,935 Joined:Sep 2012	Message Posted: Oct 8, 2012 11:16:57 PM Ignore teenitup Report Abuse This is why the Obama administration's (using the EPA) attacks on coal and existing coal plants are so shortsighted. Coal's abundance alone is a threat to threat to the green agenda. Fracking is a threat to the green agenda as it has brought on an oversupply of natural gas and the whole "threat" of cataclysmic, end of all our water supply, earthquakes, breast cancer, etc. scenarios from the EPA and 'environmentalists'. There's simply no indication that natural gas prices would stay at these near historic lows for long. Natural gas should easily triple from this years earlier lows of $2 per MCF, just an increase to $4 per MCF would certainly bring coal right back into the picture.
DerHahn Champion Author Illinois Posts:13,688 Points:2,110,135 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Oct 8, 2012 10:57:04 AM Ignore DerHahn Report Abuse the "rally" in nat gas prices was totally expected. t-boone pickens wouldn't be pushing it if he wasn't thinking about making money on it.
remay Champion Author Houston Posts:6,943 Points:2,113,390 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Oct 8, 2012 6:53:23 AM Ignore remay Report Abuse It always about the big green stuff ($$$$)...
listerone Champion Author Boston Posts:3,365 Points:874,990 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 9:44:23 AM Ignore listerone Report Abuse We have lots of coal which is excellent for generating electricity.We should use it...along with gas,oil,nuclear,hydroelectric,etc.
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Martinman Champion Author Mississippi Posts:14,719 Points:2,089,830 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 9:28:52 AM Ignore Martinman Report Abuse Article is poorly written. Isn't a change in "cost" from $2.03 per mmBTU to $2.13 per mmBTU an INCREASE, not a "drop" as reported? Second, the article is quite misleading (surprize!) Even for existing electric generating plants, natural gas fired units are twice as efficient as coal-fired units. Efficiency generally ranges from 28% to 31% for coal-fired, 60% to 61+% for natural gas fired generating units (electricity generated per BTU burned). Thus coal would not just need to reach parity, natural gas would have to become TWICE as expensive as coal for the cost-basis to reach parity. Third, the story assumes that while natural gas futures prices are volatile, that coal futures prices are not. Fourth, coal-fired units take significantly longer to bring online (up to 4 days compared to hours for natural gas). Fifth, coal-fired units required more workers per mega-watt of power generation to operate. Then there is the cost of settling ponds, ash removal, and other post-production costs that burning natural gas simply does not have. [Edited by: Martinman at 10/7/2012 9:33:41 AM EST]
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jjw0608 Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:6,854 Points:1,697,030 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 12:47:05 AM Ignore jjw0608 Report Abuse ALL GARBAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!
jtfftj Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:2,167 Points:1,244,400 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 12:46:26 AM Ignore jtfftj Report Abuse Re: Boatmen: So were self-serve gas stations. Retailers would save labor and pass the savings on to us. Didn't happen. Didn't have to happen in New Jersey because they didn't buy in to the argument and still have mandated full serve. Good job, Gov. Christie, and all you who support it.
clermont40miles Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:10,543 Points:1,767,935 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 12:44:55 AM Ignore clermont40miles Report Abuse Good to see coal coming back. Also good to see NG being affordable. Will take some time for the supply and demand to even out. Are speculators artificially boosting prices on NG as they do daily on gasoline, diesel and crude? We MUST stop the commodity market from being used as a stock market with paper traders causing price changes at whim, having nothing to do with market realities. .
boatmen Champion Author New York Posts:3,060 Points:619,330 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 12:40:24 AM Ignore boatmen Report Abuse Like everything else When enough buy in price goes up remember ATM cards were to save money
SHEP20715 Champion Author Maryland Posts:8,446 Points:1,710,845 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 12:39:03 AM Ignore SHEP20715 Report Abuse Steelpenny...You can't even look forward to 2016, after the actions of the Regressives, trying to carry the country back 100 years, it will be a cold day in hell before they get anywhere near the White House
WilW Champion Author Atlanta Posts:12,202 Points:2,668,880 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 12:38:28 AM Ignore WilW Report Abuse Glad I locked in my price for the winter.
chyguy3 Champion Author Wyoming Posts:2,855 Points:859,540 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 12:38:12 AM Ignore chyguy3 Report Abuse No way. Too little and won't last.
aggietim Champion Author Fort Worth Posts:1,746 Points:691,125 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 12:37:38 AM Ignore aggietim Report Abuse ok
thinkaboutit Champion Author Colorado Posts:1,069 Points:75,710 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 12:36:15 AM Ignore thinkaboutit Report Abuse Paragon stock could rise or fall in the future. Nobody can predict individual developments for sure.
cheapertvs Champion Author Richmond Posts:10,263 Points:2,737,720 Joined:Jan 2004	Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 12:35:17 AM Ignore cheapertvs Report Abuse Coal makes a comeback!!!
monieet All-Star Author California Posts:953 Points:526,530 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 12:34:54 AM Ignore monieet Report Abuse OK
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pa79th Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:1,762 Points:1,212,850 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 12:34:16 AM Ignore pa79th Report Abuse Nah! Too much regulation in coal. Obama killed it for now.
boatfloyd Champion Author Jacksonville Posts:1,698 Points:383,975 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 12:32:16 AM Ignore boatfloyd Report Abuse More bad air.
RoadKing95 Champion Author San Jose Posts:20,532 Points:3,599,240 Joined:May 2003	Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 12:30:11 AM Ignore RoadKing95 Report Abuse The purpose of this "article" is nothing more than an advertisement for you to buy coal futures from paragon. If you're dumb enough to believe it jump in and buy all you can. It simply is not going to happen. You're all being duped. But then that's why they put it in a right wing blog (they know the audience is gullible). [Edited by: RoadKing95 at 10/7/2012 12:33:46 AM EST]
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goldrose1 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:10,925 Points:1,920,910 Joined:Feb 2005	Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 12:28:53 AM Ignore goldrose1 Report Abuse speculators...
defiancegasman Champion Author Ohio Posts:7,069 Points:1,321,210 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 12:26:40 AM Ignore defiancegasman Report Abuse " while coal has dropped to $2.13 per mmBtu from $2.03, " Good Article, full of usefull info like a rise is a drop. Figures don't lie, BUT LIARS FIGURE!!!
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TFowler513 Champion Author Memphis Posts:3,824 Points:1,410,235 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 12:24:53 AM Ignore TFowler513 Report Abuse speculators at it again.
yakstar Champion Author Montreal Posts:2,400 Points:475,645 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 12:24:26 AM Ignore yakstar Report Abuse switch to a cleaner fuel?
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Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,776 Points:409,865 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 12:23:40 AM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse Do you actually hear yourself sometimes, @judgemobile? We don't import oil or natural gas to fuel our powerplants. All of that is produced domestically. Retrain those coal miners and ship them to the Dakotas where they can be put to use drilling oil and gas wells.
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Zonk Champion Author Michigan Posts:6,461 Points:2,098,765 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 12:21:15 AM Ignore Zonk Report Abuse Personally, I would stay with Natural Gas.
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,776 Points:409,865 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 12:20:14 AM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse So, @SteelPenny, what are you gonna do if your prediction doesn't come true? It's a long way to 2016.
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dirt girl Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:35,932 Points:3,068,005 Joined:Oct 2004	Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 12:18:43 AM Ignore dirt girl Report Abuse Rising price of natural gas is not good news for people who heat their homes with it.
chuckwthompson Champion Author Charlotte Posts:3,735 Points:573,185 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 12:15:21 AM Ignore chuckwthompson Report Abuse The price will always continue to rise.
danol43 Champion Author Modesto Posts:1,697 Points:585,930 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 12:13:58 AM Ignore danol43 Report Abuse That's what the market does.
crreed1 Champion Author West Virginia Posts:1,965 Points:2,522,335 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 12:13:38 AM Ignore crreed1 Report Abuse back to coal
Rooster922 Champion Author Wilmington Posts:3,768 Points:652,070 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 12:13:12 AM Ignore Rooster922 Report Abuse Really?
pastorpaulcg Champion Author Virginia Posts:3,615 Points:775,785 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 12:11:58 AM Ignore pastorpaulcg Report Abuse As demand goes up, price goes up
millerin Champion Author Orlando Posts:2,289 Points:477,315 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Oct 7, 2012 12:11:44 AM Ignore millerin Report Abuse hmm...
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